Migrant crisis.

[4v6]

Originally Posted by msh

Well, theoretically they are saying the right thing. I cannot tell how well idea of hospitality goes together with ignoring of reality, as I haven't studied that question yet. As for the "out of job" and "islam will spread" thing, I hate to say, but you're naive. Islam is already spreading in UK for quite a long time, and some 20-30 thousand refugees/invaders won't make any difference as there are way much more pakistanis and other muslims already in UK. As for bishops loosing their jobs - that will not have to do anything with muslims, but with english. Do you believe in Jesus Christ as your saviour? I'm afraid I know the answer already...

I actually see it funny that some of you sees the immigration as the biggest problem. The biggest problem is yourselves. Thousand years ago, western europe was regularly attacked by muslim armies in jihad attacks - whole iberian penisula was khalifate, the border between it and christian lands was somewhere in france, and mideterranean sea was full of muslim pirates. There were no tight borders, no CCTV controls, no helicopters and other high tech stuff to control them. But the europe stood and finally won. Why? They believed in God, had a lot of children so land was not empty and they had manpower, and they were blessed with strong leaders. We could also see what happened in lands occupied by muslims for the same reasons balkan nations withstood hard times, apart from bosniaks, which had weak national church, weakened by theological disputes, which is more politics than faith. Now skip forward to current times, and you can see that whole western civilisation has managed to loose foundations and is crumbling like any building without foundations.

In case someone wants to say that I insult british - I address that to whole europe, including my nation. Our shithole is a bit different, though - due to our tiny allowances [relatively to western europe; locals aren't happy that refugee childrens receive a couple of tens times more than our kids], none of the intruders wants to stay here, but a portion of our nation, which is dieing out just like western nations, has emigrated to west, further emptying our land. Our muslims will come from among ourselves

Interesting analysis but I disagree that the reason for europes and the uk's problems are down to being godless.
Theyre actually down to idiots of the left wing persuasion that can see only one side of a situation and insist on always being right even when categorically proven to be wrong.
Theyd rather persue imaginary racists everywhere, rather like the Macarthyites did in the US with their reds under the beds nonsense and promote the mental illness known as Political Correctness to stifle the freedom out of everyone than make sensible, rational choices that benefit the nation.
Quite why the criminally stupid Merkel, as a prime example and the rest of her hangers on in the GDU thought itd be a swell idea to unilaterally allow millions of unidentified people to just swan into Germany without consultation from their resident population is beyond reason or comprehension to most normal folk, yet there it is, communist from the former East Germany makes a decision based on what she wants rather than whats acceptable and whats right, god dont even figure in the equation unless youre one of the millions coming in who want more mosques erected to project their faiths power and eventual dominance.
Quite why its figured we need more "refugees" ( we know most are economic migrants) to come into europe and enrich us is a mystery to me as so far ive not seen anything remotely good about their prescence, just division and distrust, refusal to adopt the host countries rules and way of life.
Thats why we have this issue coming home to roost and also the fact that it seems people are too scared to say anything lest the PC thought police swing by and label them racist.
Well, label away I say, that dogs race is run.

[rich.r]

Originally Posted by 4v6

Interesting analysis but I disagree that the reason for europes and the uk's problems are down to being godless.
Theyre actually down to idiots of the left wing persuasion that can see only one side of a situation and insist on always being right even when categorically proven to be wrong.
Theyd rather persue imaginary racists everywhere, rather like the Macarthyites did in the US with their reds under the beds nonsense and promote the mental illness known as Political Correctness to stifle the freedom out of everyone than make sensible, rational choices that benefit the nation.
Quite why the criminally stupid Merkel, as a prime example and the rest of her hangers on in the GDU thought itd be a swell idea to unilaterally allow millions of unidentified people to just swan into Germany without consultation from their resident population is beyond reason or comprehension to most normal folk, yet there it is, communist from the former East Germany makes a decision based on what she wants rather than whats acceptable and whats right, god dont even figure in the equation unless youre one of the millions coming in who want more mosques erected to project their faiths power and eventual dominance.
Quite why its figured we need more "refugees" ( we know most are economic migrants) to come into europe and enrich us is a mystery to me as so far ive not seen anything remotely good about their prescence, just division and distrust, refusal to adopt the host countries rules and way of life.
Thats why we have this issue coming home to roost and also the fact that it seems people are too scared to say anything lest the PC thought police swing by and label them racist.
Well, label away I say, that dogs race is run.

I couldn't agree more.

There has also been a distinct lack of coverage of what went on in Germany on new Years Eve.

So much for the free press we keep being told we have.

[Andy10v]

BBC slight change of tack, if you compare articles from the 5th and then the 11th;

They are now saying; "almost exclusively" from a migration background
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35280386

Before it was; warned against linking the crimes to the issue of migrants and refugees.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35231046

But still nothing like this (probably biased the other way)
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/65...s-rape-germany

[Ben]

Originally Posted by rich.r

So much for the free press we keep being told we have.

So, what is the conclusion then?

[msh]

Originally Posted by 4v6

Interesting analysis but I disagree that the reason for europes and the uk's problems are down to being godless.
Theyre actually down to idiots of the left wing persuasion that can see only one side of a situation and insist on always being right even when categorically proven to be wrong.
Theyd rather persue imaginary racists everywhere, rather like the Macarthyites did in the US with their reds under the beds nonsense and promote the mental illness known as Political Correctness to stifle the freedom out of everyone than make sensible, rational choices that benefit the nation.
Quite why the criminally stupid Merkel, as a prime example and the rest of her hangers on in the GDU thought itd be a swell idea to unilaterally allow millions of unidentified people to just swan into Germany without consultation from their resident population is beyond reason or comprehension to most normal folk, yet there it is, communist from the former East Germany makes a decision based on what she wants rather than whats acceptable and whats right, god dont even figure in the equation unless youre one of the millions coming in who want more mosques erected to project their faiths power and eventual dominance.
Quite why its figured we need more "refugees" ( we know most are economic migrants) to come into europe and enrich us is a mystery to me as so far ive not seen anything remotely good about their prescence, just division and distrust, refusal to adopt the host countries rules and way of life.
Thats why we have this issue coming home to roost and also the fact that it seems people are too scared to say anything lest the PC thought police swing by and label them racist.
Well, label away I say, that dogs race is run.

Well, apparently, european nation extinction isn't a problem for you, although that has been used as an excuse to bring in immigrants - or reason, nor excuse, as in the case of origin of turkish minority in germany, where they were welcommed as a guest workers. And the things you're mentioning, could be summed as "lack of blessing". Still, problems you mention, are secondary. If any british couple by age of 30 would have 4 children, would there be any space left in UK for immigrants? And if english, scotts, welsh and irish would be strong in their beliefs, would there be any reason to worry about muslims?

Five years ago, when I was miles away from christianity and haven't met any muslim yet, I felt something is inherently wrong with the world around me. Now I know what exactly - whole western civilisation has switched object of worship from God, to money and valueless items. For happiness we now need money and various items. To have children, we first need career, somehow forgetting that we'll have pensions when old only if we make more enough children, because otherwise there won't be enough taxpayers. We measure happiness in median income. Moral values are nonexistant. Alcoholics are all around us, getting drunk once per week has become norm. And so on. How all that come along?

[Mellis46]

Originally Posted by msh

Well, apparently, european nation extinction isn't a problem for you, although that has been used as an excuse to bring in immigrants - or reason, nor excuse, as in the case of origin of turkish minority in germany, where they were welcommed as a guest workers. And the things you're mentioning, could be summed as "lack of blessing". Still, problems you mention, are secondary. If any british couple by age of 30 would have 4 children, would there be any space left in UK for immigrants? And if english, scotts, welsh and irish would be strong in their beliefs, would there be any reason to worry about muslims?

Five years ago, when I was miles away from christianity and haven't met any muslim yet, I felt something is inherently wrong with the world around me. Now I know what exactly - whole western civilisation has switched object of worship from God, to money and valueless items. For happiness we now need money and various items. To have children, we first need career, somehow forgetting that we'll have pensions when old only if we make more enough children, because otherwise there won't be enough taxpayers. We measure happiness in median income. Moral values are nonexistant. Alcoholics are all around us, getting drunk once per week has become norm. And so on. How all that come along?

People are selfish these days, yes. Value possessions and money over spirituality, probably. To suggest we have somehow brought the influx of migrants to the UK specifically because we havent had enough children, I disagree. The UK has roughly 2 children per mother (tfr=1.9 currently, as opposed to 1.5 in Russia for example). Our birthrate is replacement value, 2 kids replace 2 parents, on average.

The migrants are expected to be absorbed, in addition, through European imposed mandates, and with them they bring the 'integration problems' described at length which are seemingly covered up or brushed under the carpet by our media. This is not acceptable, our country can support people to a point - to let loads more in some of whom may integrate and adopt the laws and social order and work - some will refuse - and then to say have more children to support them, and eventually you will run out of space and there wont be room for any more...? Not for me I'm afraid. Schools, already full. Hospitals, full. Etc etc. Europe needs to be honestly and exhaustively exposed / presented for what it is by the media then we can all vote on it (to leave)

[4v6]

Originally Posted by msh

And if english, scotts, welsh and irish would be strong in their beliefs, would there be any reason to worry about muslims?

I am strong in my beliefs, but I have no religion.
As far as I can see religion is the thing thats causing people to lose their minds and go on killing sprees, thus was it ever.
Religion makes good people do evil things.
Id wager the world would be a far better place if religion never existed, humanity would be a heck of a lot further along than it currently is due to these sky pixie delusions.

Originally Posted by msh

Five years ago, when I was miles away from christianity and haven't met any muslim yet, I felt something is inherently wrong with the world around me. Now I know what exactly - whole western civilisation has switched object of worship from God, to money and valueless items. For happiness we now need money and various items. To have children, we first need career, somehow forgetting that we'll have pensions when old only if we make more enough children, because otherwise there won't be enough taxpayers. We measure happiness in median income. Moral values are nonexistant. Alcoholics are all around us, getting drunk once per week has become norm. And so on. How all that come along?

There is nothing wrong with the world we inhabit, its the people that screw it up.
My feelings are that people are desensitized to the horrors surrounding them due to constant exposure via media.
You only have to look at the rise in popularity of such programmes as "big brother" and "im a celebrity" to see that stupidity is now seen as something of value whereas previously being an idiot and acting like one was quite rightly seen as something undesirable.
TV companies have a lot to answer for in promoting idiot values, paying people for being stupid and trying to normalise distgusting behaviours in the name of "entertainment", so Im unsure how praying to a fictional deity will make it all go away and put it right.

Sorry if that came across as a bit preaching but I assure you no religion was involved.

[rich.r]

Originally Posted by Ben

So, what is the conclusion then?

The only conclusion I can draw is the press are being lent on to restrict or "loose" items that don't suit those in charge of our country.

It was reported that incidents in Switzerland were not reported on for nearly three months.

Go figure.

I believe those that want this EU experiment to succeed have a lot to answer to.
If we all had the full facts maybe the referendum won't go the way the powers that be want it to.

[Ben]

Originally Posted by rich.r

The only conclusion I can draw is the press are being lent on to restrict or "loose" items that don't suit those in charge of our country.

It was reported that incidents in Switzerland were not reported on for nearly three months.

Go figure.

I reckon it is like it looks to be, so there must be some very powerful people behind it, more powerful than any individual govenment. It's long been said there is an "illuminati" running the world, maybe David Icke isn't as bigger nutcase as we thought after all (althought them being lizards is pushing it into looney territory ) He said they were Jews back in the 80's, maybe there has been a change at the top, and it's now run by Saudi muslims?, which could explain why they are being allowed into the west with open arms.

No, I'm not a conspiracy nut, it's just a theory

I believe those that want this EU experiment to succeed have a lot to answer to.
If we all had the full facts maybe the referendum won't go the way the powers that be want it to.

There won't be a referendum, Cameron is already backtracking on that promise.

[90 B2 quattro]

Originally Posted by rich.r

Yes but unlike the UK you cant just walk into NZ and or claim benefits/housing

Unless you are of Pacific island origin. I live in Dunedin, NZ. According to what I've heard/read the city of 100,000 people is expected to take between 1000-1800 "refugees" over 4 years. The change in around here will surely noticed.