Eu referendum.

[1781cc]

Originally Posted by rich.r

I don't recall anyone saying anything about business and if you read my post i stated the other EU countries will still want our money re holidays.

Please try to compare like with like.

If you travel with tools what do you do outside the EU or do you only do business inside.
If so maybe looking further afield may pay dividends.

travel with tools under a carnet can be anything like marketing materials, but also as innocuous as photographic gear, laptops and so on, depending on how strict some countries are. My point was in relation to yours where you said "Travel will be no more difficult out of the EU than in it." and it will be more difficult if we are out

[john johnson]

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[Flying Frank]

Let's face it, by hook or by crook, Cameron and the gang want to win and they'll use every trick at their disposal.

Rigging the vote is my single biggest worry ......but there's plenty of other tactics which they'll employ.

Not sure if its the circle of friends I have , but the "Remainers" are very much in a minority........

[john johnson]

It's like that for me with the odd or that is wavering , problem is the ones that say remain don't really have a concrete reason why , it's a bit flimsy and ifs and buts . A lot of stuff implemented would have evolved that way and a lot wouldn't as there is generally a lack of common sense and more a case of our cap will fit your head ( from one or two quarters most of the time )
I deal with the eu regs and it's very very time consuming and we have to jump through hoops no matter where it goes or what we do .
At the end of the day it's your decision and choose wisely as you will have to put up with the end result for a long time unlike the Scottish who I think will have another chance at independence

[vorsprung durch technik]

Someone pushed for facts to back up claims. It depends how you look at the figure we send to Brussells so it might not be as large as 350 million a week but even if it's less and thats debatable because of the Abatement, one cannot argue that the remain camp messers Cameron and Boy George, are about the most corrupt bunch of politicians that will stop at nothing to fix this election in their favour as MR Flip Floppers career depends on it along with his Pastie moron chancellor

The remain camp are using disgraceful tactics to cajole the outcome in their favour it's frankly criminal and nothing new for them.They are all at it even the Bank of England Governor,listen to his recent performance in front of the select committee,on questions if he's been talking to cameron about remaining in. Why's that significant because the Bank of England is supposed to be independent. Take Cameron only months ago saying that if he didn't get what he wanted he would be voting to leave. He didn't get all what he wanted,which was a frankly embarassingly small ask list anyway, and even that hasn't been enshrined in EU law yet but he is now vehemently campaigning to say in.

Mr Flip Flopper's at it yet again,who would trust that idiot?? He says one thing then does the complete opposite.He promised no more top down reorganisation of the NHS,promised the voters to get immigration down to the tens of thousands in 2010 ,really while we're in the EU yet the voters bought it like lemmings. Frankly he's a disgrace to politics! He'll do anything to cling to power.Ironically that's why he offered the Referendum. David Cameron would have been the ideal politician to the most heinous political party ever Hitlers Nazi party.They hoodwinked the German people in the political chaos of the late 20's early thirties promising to sort out the mess and look what they got! Actually i'm not sure Cameron would have fit in with that lot,they would have got tired of him.

If there is some small inconvenience travelling around the Eu for business people surely thats a small price to pay for our freedom.On the other hand there are thousands of small businesses that want out, because of EU stifling laws which make them very uncompetitive. Personally our children,their schools,our NHS our roads,in fact practically every walk of life is much more important and should be to the vast majority of us.

This may offend some but i really don't care.Why, because those who i might offend never payed any thought to how it might and has affected my life. My rights and dreams have been completely trampled all over by those who couldn't give a fcuck,be that voters or the perpetrators!! I have been a fisherman all my life and since 2004 but with the influx they have destroyed much of my fishing by their ways and customs they have brought with them. My favourite section of the Thames around Henley,it's very picturesque and superb fishing, has been withdrawn from us fisherman by the private land owner. The land owner had given our club rights for decades to fish his land as long as we respected it.If you know anything about private fishing clubs you will understand that rules are always upheld to the hilt so it's very rare for non compliance! These people and their customs, camp out on this land as families,a bit like pikies,have barbecues burning the ground,leave their litter,tins etc and the land owner had had enough and decided to ban all fishing,picnics barbecues etc. I'm gutted about this. Why can't people just fit in with us obey our laws instead of ruining our way of life. Another section downstream i walked along last summer one weekend. There were 3 tents all fishing with families and yet not one of them had rang the land owner for permission,he takes a small fee for the fishing. It's all done on trust and of course i and others appreciate whats there and abide by the rules. When in Rome do as the Romans do springs to mind yet our liberal left leaning politicians are more interested in other peoples rights instead of it's own citizens. Mind you it's all part of the plan for big business to have a never ending supply of cheap foreign workers.

[john johnson]

Originally Posted by Flying Frank

Let's face it, by hook or by crook, Cameron and the gang want to win and they'll use every trick at their disposal.

Rigging the vote is my single biggest worry ......but there's plenty of other tactics which they'll employ.

Not sure if its the circle of friends I have , but the "Remainers" are very much in a minority........

I have that worry and to be quite honest I think the Scottish yes / no vote was fiddled as I was convinced they would vote in favour independence

[John.]

Originally Posted by john johnson

I have that worry and to be quite honest I think the Scottish yes / no vote was fiddled as I was convinced they would vote in favour independence

I think it was just the scaremongering tactics that made some folks choose to come out and vote at the last chance?

As a comparison many here are voicing thoughts like many Scots were when we voted to leave the union.......it's like the EU is for the UK what the UK government is to us Scots.
I hope that if we do split from the EU then we can become more united.......can't say I'd look forward to another Indy Scots vote.........would be all that stuff all over again.

[john johnson]

It's gonna happen as salmond and the other bird are twitching to do it , I see there's been some Albanians arrested coming across the channel on a raft

[msh]

Originally Posted by vorsprung durch technik

This may offend some but i really don't care.Why, because those who i might offend never payed any thought to how it might and has affected my life. My rights and dreams have been completely trampled all over by those who couldn't give a fcuck,be that voters or the perpetrators!! I have been a fisherman all my life and since 2004 but with the influx they have destroyed much of my fishing by their ways and customs they have brought with them. My favourite section of the Thames around Henley,it's very picturesque and superb fishing, has been withdrawn from us fisherman by the private land owner. The land owner had given our club rights for decades to fish his land as long as we respected it.If you know anything about private fishing clubs you will understand that rules are always upheld to the hilt so it's very rare for non compliance! These people and their customs, camp out on this land as families,a bit like pikies,have barbecues burning the ground,leave their litter,tins etc and the land owner had had enough and decided to ban all fishing,picnics barbecues etc. I'm gutted about this. Why can't people just fit in with us obey our laws instead of ruining our way of life. Another section downstream i walked along last summer one weekend. There were 3 tents all fishing with families and yet not one of them had rang the land owner for permission,he takes a small fee for the fishing. It's all done on trust and of course i and others appreciate whats there and abide by the rules. When in Rome do as the Romans do springs to mind yet our liberal left leaning politicians are more interested in other peoples rights instead of it's own citizens. Mind you it's all part of the plan for big business to have a never ending supply of cheap foreign workers.

It's good that you have so little to worry about, that you're worrying about hobby fishing and how eastern european immigrants affect this. As for these issues - I'm saying about my country, but I presume that in the nearest eastern european countries it should be similar - land near rivers, unless fenced off [illegally] is open to everyone, usually it's wilderness, so nobody cares about it, and one of soviet legacy things is leaving rubbish. As for paying some private person some fee - yeah, when fishing in private lakes - river itself doesn't belong to anyone, so one should buy fishing permit at local petrol station for fishing in all local lakes and rivers, otherwise inspector could fine you, and that's about it.

[john johnson]

That is the point what a lot are missing , no matter what our pm says he will or won't do it will be imposed on us . FACT