Eu referendum.

[Flying Frank]

I like what I'm reading above....keep it up Guys!!

However, the folk sitting on the fence need convincing....I spoke to two youngsters today, one painting my Mothers house and the other was one of her carers. Both seemed undecided so i spent a good 20 minutes plus, giving them all the reasons why I felt an OUT vote was the right way to go....the painters reason for voting in was so he could travel around Europe freely and the young lady carer thought it best for her little girl That was it!

The rest of the issues neither of them understood.....that's what we are up against......let alone any potential "fixing" done by Messrs Cameron and Osborne.

It is a democracy and we all have our vote, but try and make the doubters aware of what they are letting themselves in for. Spread the word !

[john johnson]

Make no difference to travelling ffs

[john johnson]

The X there's the eu court of human rights that does wonder for some of the terrorists

[vorsprung durch technik]

Originally Posted by john johnson

The X there's the eu court of human rights that does wonder for some of the terrorists

That's the plan to undermine our already week democracy,it's their way of finishing us off.

[john johnson]

I see ed milliband has surfaced , he is a prize cock if there ever was one and he's ballsing things up again

[darreno'd']

Originally Posted by 4v6

Well unfortunately no remainers actually did what I thought they might, such is the nice atmosphere and the calibre of the folk that inhabit this place!

In that respect my experiment was something of a failure, however the reason for the statement "remainers should shut up!" wasnt made purely to aggravate such voters, no it was made for an entirely different reason.
If some Mr Nobody tells you to shut up, youd most likely be aggrieved and feel like asking them who the hell they are, which was what I wanted to happen.
The point being that youd not take being told to do something you didnt want to by Mr Nobody, so why would such a persons logic fail when it comes to signing their rights away to unelected brussels officials who will do exactly the same thing!
To me thats completely bonkers, as Mr Brussels official has no more authority to tell you what to do than any other person, why give them your seal of approval?

The point of being able to go wherever whenever isnt something that would change just because of an out vote, nothing at all would change in the short term, nothing!
All the trade deals we currently have will continue because contracts have already been agreed, travel agreements between countries wont just dissolve overnight, the eu's open border policy will see to that and the fact that shengen allows such free movement.

Mobile phone charges arent sddenly going to go up overnight, holidays costs wont go stratospheric, and millions of people wont lose their jobs here, because nothings going to change overnight.
In the event of an out vote, the day after not a damned thing will be different except we will have the capability to do what WE want and not what the likes of merkel and hollande and the fat prick jean claude junckers wants.
Voting IN gives away your rights to self determination, your rights to vote out of office those who pass your laws and make your life a misery, it means you have to do what Mr Nobody tells you to, its called Slavery and I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone would willingly allow themselves to be treated as personal property of the rotten eu empire, its bizarre, its madness, however, its their and your choice, just dont expect the likes of me to accept being sold into bondage by In voters as I will NEVER accept the eu as my master, they have NO rights to claim you, your family and the rest of the souls of this land as theirs.

Vote Leave and reclaim your freedom and independence.

Tony, I respect your opinion, I am not offended by your opinion, in the way the politically correct get offended by anyone who says anything other than what could be repeated in a church. But, as someone who has been self employed, and therefore not dictated to on a real time basis for over twenty years, I voted a long time ago for things I could change. Regardless of uk or eu government, what I say or think goes within my firm. I employ a polish lad, who has been resident here for ten years, good lad, another who is married to a Romanian girl, she has been the making of him. My life is not a misery because of the eu, and I vote in all the elections. I'm taking my family to New York this half term and the travel hoops are a nause, we pop over to anywhere in Europe, and it's a doddle. My best friend is married to a Spanish girl and lives in northern Spain with no hassle. I have flipped between in and out ever since the referendum was announced, do I like the way the eu government works ? No, would I like things to be different ? Yes, do I like the way the uk government works ? No, does it need to change ? Yes. But, overall my life has not been blighted by being in the eu

[rich.r]

Travel will be no more difficult out of the EU than in it.
Most of the country in the EU want your money along with them importing goods to us.

I can see tif we stay in we will end up with the Euro, the Schengen agreement and you will be ruled by Brussels and read by Germany in the last item.

Your life may not of been blighted but the sh*t will hit the fan inside 10 years I think.
It will then be to late.

Also an out vote will not stop people from any of the other EU countries from working here they will just need a work permit. With that we could stop some of the sh*t entering the UK and bleeding our Generous benefits system.

[Flying Frank]

Originally Posted by rich.r

Travel will be no more difficult out of the EU than in it.
Most of the country in the EU want your money along with them importing goods to us.

I can see tif we stay in we will end up with the Euro, the Schengen agreement and you will be ruled by Brussels and read by Germany in the last item.

Your life may not of been blighted but the sh*t will hit the fan inside 10 years I think.
It will then be to late.

Also an out vote will not stop people from any of the other EU countries from working here they will just need a work permit. With that we could stop some of the sh*t entering the UK and bleeding our Generous benefits system.

Spot on! If only everyone understood all this...it's not rocket science, but the smoke screen put up by Cameron and his cronies is blinding the fence sitters.

[1781cc]

Originally Posted by rich.r

Travel will be no more difficult out of the EU than in it.
Most of the country in the EU want your money along with them importing goods to us.

Actually thats bulls*t, because if you are travelling for business and bringing in any kind of business tools, then you need to go through the carnet process of declaring what you are bringing, the value, why, where before you enter, you also have to declare the exact same process when you leave, and woe betide if you have anything stolen or lost out of that process as the fines can be quite heavy.

If anyone who used to conduct business in Prague or Budapest will atest to it used to be a pain, let alone still be when you work in places like Moscow.

Personally, the travel issue is a major one

[rich.r]

Originally Posted by 1781cc

Actually thats bulls*t, because if you are travelling for business and bringing in any kind of business tools, then you need to go through the carnet process of declaring what you are bringing, the value, why, where before you enter, you also have to declare the exact same process when you leave, and woe betide if you have anything stolen or lost out of that process as the fines can be quite heavy.

If anyone who used to conduct business in Prague or Budapest will atest to it used to be a pain, let alone still be when you work in places like Moscow.

Personally, the travel issue is a major one

I don't recall anyone saying anything about business and if you read my post i stated the other EU countries will still want our money re holidays.

Please try to compare like with like.

If you travel with tools what do you do outside the EU or do you only do business inside.
If so maybe looking further afield may pay dividends.