Audi Sport quattro-Ebay-BIG bucks - Page 4

Lofty · 21-10-12, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by john johnson

Well put Simmo , it is what it is and has its own bit of tangible provenance and has mixed with the big boys .... Not minced round the block or spent most of its life in a garage in a rural semi .... Its a very good car whose structural integrity is proven too

Does it have speaker holes in the door panels though ?

Isimmo · 21-10-12, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Lofty

Does it have speaker holes in the door panels though ?

In carbon doors...hmmm, it'd be unique if it did....

butch · 21-10-12, 09:44 PM

[quote=rtz62;289315]That's partially my point (and no disrespect to this swb build) but it is and only ever will be a copy of the real thing.
I'd suggest its probably an excellent vehicle with high levels of craftsmanship that would cost more to build than the price asked.
I also appreciate am homologised road car is not the same ad a rally-ready car.
But, it still begs the value question of what are broadly similar cars in the T16, RS200 and 6R4 etc, and why a genuine swb is 'worth' more (I retesting that my source in the trade suggests that none of them make what the traders ask / speculate...)[/QUO the car is an S1 as we can all see. if this was built at the time of group b with different livery would it still be a copy? what about the private enterd quattros are they recreations? are david suttons cars recreations? are rock racing recreations? it is by far better built than audis which build time was a issue so thrown together, and in my opinion quallity was far from an option. to me if you make a spoon it is a spoon not a recreation. are all ford escort rally cars recreations of rally cars?, no they are rally cars, as mentioned this is a very usable S1 rally car to be greatly enjoyed by the owners an spectaters

LYT4X · 21-10-12, 10:18 PM

I'm not going to speculate on the value of this car. Andy knows I don't have a personal lust for SWB's, but I can still appreaciate them for what they are. Hamish is right that it will fetch what someone is willing to pay for it. Whilst I agree that it can probably be built for 60k, that's what Hamish could do it for (not accounting for his time) and not what someone like me could do it for. My own car has cost more than this one to build, but that's because I'm paying professionals to do the job. Unlike Andy or Hamish (who could both be described as 'professional'), I couldn't have done it to this standard myself. When you account for 1000+ hours, even at reduced garage rates, you can double the basic bulit cost price straight away. Then, when you factor-in the cost and time for 'mistakes' (where you try something that doesn't work as intended) the money eaten-up can go ballistic. Unfortunatley, there isn't a £10.99 Haynes manual to tell you how best to build one of these cars without making costly errors along the way.

As for carbon doors, I think Ian may not be completely correct here, but I'll let Andy confirm (or otherwise) that one and I'll apologise in advance if I'm wrong. The only question I'd have about this car if I were a potential purchaser is whether or not it has an MSA log-book allowing it to be used for regular stage rallying? The problem I always have with 'ex-works' quattros (and complete nut & bolt 'recreations') is that they can't be used for what they were originally built. I see no point in having a rally car if you can't go out and enter a stage rally with it - but that's just me.

john johnson · 21-10-12, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Lofty

Does it have speaker holes in the door panels though ?

Dunno , may have a stereo or even an 8 track ... Ask the owner

Lofty · 21-10-12, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by john johnson

Dunno , may have a stereo or even an 8 track ... Ask the owner

I once purchased some RR door panels, which I asked if they were mint....they were....they had a hole in the middle.Fecking great speaker holes, You couldn't tell from the photo , they were in the shade !
Wish I still had the pix.
Those with long memories will remember from qf.....

john johnson · 21-10-12, 10:42 PM

Lol mint as in polo with the holes ... Aye i remember that

Lofty · 21-10-12, 10:49 PM

Wanted to edit one of my posts but new forum software prevents it.....Bugg*r !

Lofty · 21-10-12, 10:50 PM

Can't post new threads either.....FFS

rtz62 · 22-10-12, 07:29 AM

Think you're wide of the mark Butch.
Any car, by definition, that isn't original, would have to be a rebuild, copy, recreation etc; a 'thing' can only be original once. Like Ive said so many times in the past (and the high-end concours world concurs) a car may be like new but if it doesn't have the original shell then its not original.
Its the 'Triggers Brush' syndrome, we've all seen the adverts "works rally car for sale, originally driven by 'Harri Blowjob', since re-shelled..." - swell its not the car driven by Mr Blowjob is it?
Likewise, if a car isn't one of the original build run, then its not one of those either.
'Evocation' seems to be the word used now, and this car is just that, possibly one of the best of its kind, and a glowing tribute.
Ive just picked up a mint 1990 BMW 320i SE; if I buy all the bits and 'convert' it into an M3, does it 'become' and M3 or is it a recreation / copy / evocation?
Still, I doff my cap, this is a terrific car, and the build is exacting, so who knows what t will fetch? It only needs one person to be interested enough to buy it....!

21-10-12, 10:18 PM	#34
LYT4X Younger than JJ ! Classic Audi Club Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Aberdeenshire Posts: 651	I'm not going to speculate on the value of this car. Andy knows I don't have a personal lust for SWB's, but I can still appreaciate them for what they are. Hamish is right that it will fetch what someone is willing to pay for it. Whilst I agree that it can probably be built for 60k, that's what Hamish could do it for (not accounting for his time) and not what someone like me could do it for. My own car has cost more than this one to build, but that's because I'm paying professionals to do the job. Unlike Andy or Hamish (who could both be described as 'professional'), I couldn't have done it to this standard myself. When you account for 1000+ hours, even at reduced garage rates, you can double the basic bulit cost price straight away. Then, when you factor-in the cost and time for 'mistakes' (where you try something that doesn't work as intended) the money eaten-up can go ballistic. Unfortunatley, there isn't a £10.99 Haynes manual to tell you how best to build one of these cars without making costly errors along the way. As for carbon doors, I think Ian may not be completely correct here, but I'll let Andy confirm (or otherwise) that one and I'll apologise in advance if I'm wrong. The only question I'd have about this car if I were a potential purchaser is whether or not it has an MSA log-book allowing it to be used for regular stage rallying? The problem I always have with 'ex-works' quattros (and complete nut & bolt 'recreations') is that they can't be used for what they were originally built. I see no point in having a rally car if you can't go out and enter a stage rally with it - but that's just me. __________________ ________ John

21-10-12, 10:42 PM	#37
john johnson Moderator of sausages Classic Audi Club Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: sheffield Posts: 13,331	Lol mint as in polo with the holes ... Aye i remember that __________________ Mr OCD http://s159.photobucket.com/albums/t144/jsquatts/ Daily rs4 b7 with buckets that play havoc with my piles And if you are reading this as James may would say ' you're a cock '

21-10-12, 09:44 PM	#33
butch Grown up member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 172	[quote=rtz62;289315]That's partially my point (and no disrespect to this swb build) but it is and only ever will be a copy of the real thing. I'd suggest its probably an excellent vehicle with high levels of craftsmanship that would cost more to build than the price asked. I also appreciate am homologised road car is not the same ad a rally-ready car. But, it still begs the value question of what are broadly similar cars in the T16, RS200 and 6R4 etc, and why a genuine swb is 'worth' more (I retesting that my source in the trade suggests that none of them make what the traders ask / speculate...)[/QUO the car is an S1 as we can all see. if this was built at the time of group b with different livery would it still be a copy? what about the private enterd quattros are they recreations? are david suttons cars recreations? are rock racing recreations? it is by far better built than audis which build time was a issue so thrown together, and in my opinion quallity was far from an option. to me if you make a spoon it is a spoon not a recreation. are all ford escort rally cars recreations of rally cars?, no they are rally cars, as mentioned this is a very usable S1 rally car to be greatly enjoyed by the owners an spectaters

21-10-12, 10:49 PM	#38
Lofty Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Mid western Ontario Posts: 1,817	Wanted to edit one of my posts but new forum software prevents it.....Bugg*r !

21-10-12, 10:50 PM	#39
Lofty Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Mid western Ontario Posts: 1,817	Can't post new threads either.....FFS

22-10-12, 07:29 AM	#40
rtz62 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,527	Think you're wide of the mark Butch. Any car, by definition, that isn't original, would have to be a rebuild, copy, recreation etc; a 'thing' can only be original once. Like Ive said so many times in the past (and the high-end concours world concurs) a car may be like new but if it doesn't have the original shell then its not original. Its the 'Triggers Brush' syndrome, we've all seen the adverts "works rally car for sale, originally driven by 'Harri Blowjob', since re-shelled..." - swell its not the car driven by Mr Blowjob is it? Likewise, if a car isn't one of the original build run, then its not one of those either. 'Evocation' seems to be the word used now, and this car is just that, possibly one of the best of its kind, and a glowing tribute. Ive just picked up a mint 1990 BMW 320i SE; if I buy all the bits and 'convert' it into an M3, does it 'become' and M3 or is it a recreation / copy / evocation? Still, I doff my cap, this is a terrific car, and the build is exacting, so who knows what t will fetch? It only needs one person to be interested enough to buy it....!