Electric vehicles - are they really the future...? - Page 3

Audiman1 · 31-01-12, 09:26 AM

Hydrogen is the future, once they sort it.
But there will still be petrol(and even diesel) for people to have fun with.

Phil Payne · 31-01-12, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Coxy

Was also reading today about how sound company Harmann, are having to equip electric cars with sounds as they pose a safety issue and health hazard as they have very little noise so blind people wouldn't be able to hear them coming.

It's not just blind people. The new buses that Stagecoach are using on the 120 route from Halfway tram stop through the centre of Sheffield have both 6MB/s WiFi and a kind of KERS system that Stagecoach state makes them up to 30% more efficient than pure diesels. The trouble is they often start off almost silently and the diesel doesn't cut in until around 10mph.

It's amazing how many people they catch out crossing the roadways in the Crystal Peaks and other bus stations.

There are all sorts of other effects. To save energy, the heater runs under thermostatic control. So in an otherwise empty bus on a cold morning, it runs pretty much all the time. As the bus approaches Sheffield and fills up, people add body heat so the heater runs less and less frequently. Meaning that all the windows steam up exponentially quickly.

But it's all mushware these days - they're now changing the software to rev the engine once when the bus moves off, and run the blower motor without heat if the internal temperature is OK but the external is low.

It's all progress.

Isimmo · 31-01-12, 10:55 AM

The future's bright... The future's bright blue actually...

We'll all have electric ones of these to take to the Dog and Duck, drive home blind drunk and crash into roadside furniture..

type81 · 31-01-12, 11:58 AM

[quote=missfire;256843]i've seen a lot of these type things!

they have a basic failing though that means they are utterly useless, don't last long enough.... rare earth magnets only last for about four hundred years...

Yes. they also call the magnet rare earth magnet but its not actually rare.

That electro magnetic motor can also power a house, "FREE ENERGY"

All you need is a standard car battery to spin the magnetic motor up to speed...when it
reaches certain speed...the motor would spin on its own accord, you disconnect the battery current. or dont use a battery....just spin it by hand as he demonstrates in the video.

you would easily get 2 years use out of a car battery.

That magnetic motor in a car does not need to be charged up by electric..as an electric car would need to be every hundred mile or so. you just get in a drive to your destination.

Imagine no more house electric bill.

type81 · 31-01-12, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by styler

i bet that guy has been murdered already.....

One or two people have been murdered when they came out with free energy designs.
Il try and find the info on them.

Gib · 31-01-12, 12:18 PM

Working for Tyco I have some interest in this and a lot of info comes across my desk about electric cars.

Batteries
Design for single unit has been discussed and is still on the table with Toyota and Ford.
Charge Life, designs are already in place that increase the charge life and repeat charge number. What’s not there are the raw mats to manufacture. (its the same story as flouropolymers in Flat screen Tvs last year) and unless there is a major change in the minerals market this wont change for a fair few years

Electric cars are the absolute way forwards and should be pushed in every aspect. The interesting side line is there will be a surfeit of petrol for you and i to use on what ever we want as the majority of cars will be electric.

The only thing that all the manufactures are having a headache with is recharging times and the knock on draw, we all know the Soapy tea break imagine this 1000 fold and that is what you get when every one plugs there car in at night for a charge. If the Government could get half of the target numbers of people into electric cars the grid could fall down over night when the all get plugged in.

yeti · 31-01-12, 12:49 PM

I'm a bit ashamed to come out with this being a petrol head, but.

I have an EV

It's a Peugeot electric motorscooter. Looks like a 50, rides a bit like a 50, granted it's not the most practical thing in my job, I have a diesel van for that, which I will ever see a technical successor to in my lifetime, but for nipping into town or the shop with a rucksack on it's unbeatable.

20vcqdriver · 31-01-12, 12:51 PM

[quote=Audiman1;256862]Hydrogen is the future, once they sort it.

As an electrical engineer I have to agree with this and thought for ages 'why has no-one developed it' then suddenly the item below turned up on top gear
http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/Honda-fcx-la
This has to be the most sensible way forward and yet only Honda seem to have taken up the challenge, especially as you still fill up like a petrol car so no waiting for hours to charge a battery and not likely to run out of it in a hurry

David Small · 31-01-12, 01:32 PM

There's a bloke at work on his second Prius. Mind you its a close call when deciding which has less personality, him or his car !!

yeti · 31-01-12, 06:18 PM

A few years back, one of our clients switched from Focus Diesels to Pious's for one of it's field teams.

The result? Far higher fuel consumption

31-01-12, 10:55 AM	#23
Isimmo Super Moderator Classic Audi Club Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Sissix-by-the-sea Posts: 15,218	The future's bright... The future's bright blue actually... We'll all have electric ones of these to take to the Dog and Duck, drive home blind drunk and crash into roadside furniture.. __________________ 1985 WR quattro, 1985 20vT RallyRep, 1993 MTM ABY S2 Avant. 2010 S3 Sportback.

31-01-12, 12:49 PM	#27
yeti Senior Member Classic Audi Club Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Derby Posts: 1,166	I'm a bit ashamed to come out with this being a petrol head, but. I have an EV It's a Peugeot electric motorscooter. Looks like a 50, rides a bit like a 50, granted it's not the most practical thing in my job, I have a diesel van for that, which I will ever see a technical successor to in my lifetime, but for nipping into town or the shop with a rucksack on it's unbeatable. __________________ 1990 Coupe Quattro (WTF did I buy that for?) Half a 1983 Coupe FI (long term parts shelf) 2003 Cors-arrrgh More Polos that you'd ever believe No time, no money, all the wrong tools and a workshop that's too far away

31-01-12, 12:51 PM	#28
20vcqdriver 4 ring whore! Classic Audi Club Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Wirral Posts: 3,910	[quote=Audiman1;256862]Hydrogen is the future, once they sort it. As an electrical engineer I have to agree with this and thought for ages 'why has no-one developed it' then suddenly the item below turned up on top gear http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/Honda-fcx-la This has to be the most sensible way forward and yet only Honda seem to have taken up the challenge, especially as you still fill up like a petrol car so no waiting for hours to charge a battery and not likely to run out of it in a hurry __________________ Coupe quattro 1986:-~450bhp + loooong list of mods! Audi A7 Bi-TDI SLine Black edition 2015 mapped to produce 600lb/ft torque! Audi S4 4.2 V8 cabriolet 2004:-

31-01-12, 01:32 PM	#29
David Small David Small - Mr 80k Classic Audi Club Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 7,210	There's a bloke at work on his second Prius. Mind you its a close call when deciding which has less personality, him or his car !! __________________ David Small - Member 283 - 1994 Audi C4 A6 2.0 - Tornado Red 1971 NSU 1200C Automatik - Iberian Red 1995 Audi B4 80 2.6SE Automatic - Laser Red

31-01-12, 06:18 PM	#30
yeti Senior Member Classic Audi Club Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Derby Posts: 1,166	A few years back, one of our clients switched from Focus Diesels to Pious's for one of it's field teams. The result? Far higher fuel consumption __________________ 1990 Coupe Quattro (WTF did I buy that for?) Half a 1983 Coupe FI (long term parts shelf) 2003 Cors-arrrgh More Polos that you'd ever believe No time, no money, all the wrong tools and a workshop that's too far away

31-01-12, 09:26 AM	#21
Audiman1 Grown up member Classic Audi Club Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Anglesey Posts: 141	Hydrogen is the future, once they sort it. But there will still be petrol(and even diesel) for people to have fun with.

31-01-12, 11:58 AM	#24
type81 Senior Member Classic Audi Club Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: manchester Posts: 1,691	[quote=missfire;256843]i've seen a lot of these type things! they have a basic failing though that means they are utterly useless, don't last long enough.... rare earth magnets only last for about four hundred years... Yes. they also call the magnet rare earth magnet but its not actually rare. That electro magnetic motor can also power a house, "FREE ENERGY" All you need is a standard car battery to spin the magnetic motor up to speed...when it reaches certain speed...the motor would spin on its own accord, you disconnect the battery current. or dont use a battery....just spin it by hand as he demonstrates in the video. you would easily get 2 years use out of a car battery. That magnetic motor in a car does not need to be charged up by electric..as an electric car would need to be every hundred mile or so. you just get in a drive to your destination. Imagine no more house electric bill.

31-01-12, 12:18 PM	#26
Gib Grown up member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Abingdon in a boat about 15 foot above the roof of my house Posts: 221	Working for Tyco I have some interest in this and a lot of info comes across my desk about electric cars. Batteries Design for single unit has been discussed and is still on the table with Toyota and Ford. Charge Life, designs are already in place that increase the charge life and repeat charge number. What’s not there are the raw mats to manufacture. (its the same story as flouropolymers in Flat screen Tvs last year) and unless there is a major change in the minerals market this wont change for a fair few years Electric cars are the absolute way forwards and should be pushed in every aspect. The interesting side line is there will be a surfeit of petrol for you and i to use on what ever we want as the majority of cars will be electric. The only thing that all the manufactures are having a headache with is recharging times and the knock on draw, we all know the Soapy tea break imagine this 1000 fold and that is what you get when every one plugs there car in at night for a charge. If the Government could get half of the target numbers of people into electric cars the grid could fall down over night when the all get plugged in.