Eu referendum.

[MS-L]

It's a complete joke. You encourage people to vote your way by pledging to spend extra cash on the NHS and a day or so after the event change your policy.
What sort of democracy is that?

[Emjay]

I am firmly of the opinion at the moment that we will not leave the EU.

The EU does not want to see their project break up. There is far too much political will and the risks of further splits will be causing them immense pressure to reform

Big business will lobby and lobby and lobby again to keep us trading freely and if the price to pay is freedom on movement of labour that price will be paid. The damage to the UK economy, economic revenues and even the threat of no funding to the Tory party will far override anyone's cross in a box.

Already noises coming from the UK are indicating we don't have to rush headlong into invoking article 50 while we have some pre negotiations to see what deal is on the table.

I dont see any reason why the EU would want to pre negotiate anything with us until article 50 is triggered.

And even if we do have talks we will never get to a settlement. It will always be an offer so derisory that we will be given a choice of staying a member with all the benefits of trade etc or leave and take your chance.

So I expect a deal on the table and another referendum in 2 or 3 years time before article 50 is implemented.

That's how I see this panning out

In the meantime Boris is not the man to lead us. He is a proven liar, an egotist and he has no proven track record. He's an ex journalist whose expertise is just that. journalism and soundbites who throughout this campaign consistently put down the warnings of economists and experts as scaremongering whilst promising Nirvana without believing he would ever have to deliver on it. And now his chickens have unexpectedly come home to roost we have to simply believe that things will sort them selves out with no plan and politicians from all sides burying their collective heads in the sand. No wonder he was quick to sign a letter pre-vote begging Cameron to stay on. He does not want the responsibility, never anticipated he would have to take the responsibility, thought he would use the referendum as a vehicle to gain some limelight and further his own political career and his now shitting himself with the mess he has created because frankly he cant win. And we are paying the price for his egotistically driven **** up

But that's OK we have that good old British bulldog spirit of our forefathers and words of Winston Churchill ringing through our ears. Only thing is we aint fighting nation states any more, or world war 2. Its 2016 not 1940 in case some people hadn't noticed.

And if and when Scotland decides to up sticks then we wont even be Great Britain by then and our dreams of being little England will have finally been realised

Peace Love and Respect

[TeXerv]

Emjay, at present I hear more "Britain out as quick as possible" voices, not only in Germany. But this may change.
I'm quite sure, that Britain will furthermore have ( limited) access to the EU market. 1st. Too many economical interests are involved (you've mentioned it: lobby lobby lobby) and 2nd: No one has an interest on an economical collapse of Britain. But I'm also sure, that the UK-status will definitely not be better than before leaving the EU. Otherwise the EU construct was completely absurd.
But one our ago they said on the radio, that Boris Johnson promises your people, that they will have complete access to the EU-market without the need to observe the EU laws and rules. I hope this was mistake of translation, if not it was another lie.

Please mind Art. 50 EU. Normally the time-out is fixed at 2 years after lodging the claim of leaving the EU. Quicker is possible as well. The time until lodging the claim seems the only span your government has. But again, I don't think that a long time of waiting is good for your county.

[Duffy3074]

We'll keep the UKIP racist/bigot flag flying high

Huzzah!

[TeXerv]

Originally Posted by Duffy3074

We'll keep the UKIP racist/bigot flag flying high

Huzzah!

May be the UKIP / Farage shot himself in the foot, because until Britain is really out, it is still in. And this time could be used by the so unpopular foreigners to increase their number of immigration before the UK shuts the door.

[Duffy3074]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36634786

this is sad to see as it just taints the whole process........

[MS-L]

The whole affair is all a bit tragic. Lots of people voted out for the "right reasons". Some of the posts on here make a very good case for leaving. Sadly, there is a portion of the electorate who just don't like Johnny foreigner coming over here and voted out for that reason. If some of these people got up off the lazy arses and went to work we wouldn't be in such a pickle.

[slacky]

Originally Posted by Emjay

I am firmly of the opinion at the moment that we will not leave the EU.

The EU does not want to see their project break up. There is far too much political will and the risks of further splits will be causing them immense pressure to reform

Big business will lobby and lobby and lobby again to keep us trading freely and if the price to pay is freedom on movement of labour that price will be paid. The damage to the UK economy, economic revenues and even the threat of no funding to the Tory party will far override anyone's cross in a box.

Already noises coming from the UK are indicating we don't have to rush headlong into invoking article 50 while we have some pre negotiations to see what deal is on the table.

I dont see any reason why the EU would want to pre negotiate anything with us until article 50 is triggered.

And even if we do have talks we will never get to a settlement. It will always be an offer so derisory that we will be given a choice of staying a member with all the benefits of trade etc or leave and take your chance.

So I expect a deal on the table and another referendum in 2 or 3 years time before article 50 is implemented.

That's how I see this panning out

In the meantime Boris is not the man to lead us. He is a proven liar, an egotist and he has no proven track record. He's an ex journalist whose expertise is just that. journalism and soundbites who throughout this campaign consistently put down the warnings of economists and experts as scaremongering whilst promising Nirvana without believing he would ever have to deliver on it. And now his chickens have unexpectedly come home to roost we have to simply believe that things will sort them selves out with no plan and politicians from all sides burying their collective heads in the sand. No wonder he was quick to sign a letter pre-vote begging Cameron to stay on. He does not want the responsibility, never anticipated he would have to take the responsibility, thought he would use the referendum as a vehicle to gain some limelight and further his own political career and his now shitting himself with the mess he has created because frankly he cant win. And we are paying the price for his egotistically driven **** up

But that's OK we have that good old British bulldog spirit of our forefathers and words of Winston Churchill ringing through our ears. Only thing is we aint fighting nation states any more, or world war 2. Its 2016 not 1940 in case some people hadn't noticed.

And if and when Scotland decides to up sticks then we wont even be Great Britain by then and our dreams of being little England will have finally been realised

Peace Love and Respect

exactly ,

& 52% voting for a non-existent plan ...........?

[slacky]

Originally Posted by MS-L

The whole affair is all a bit tragic. Lots of people voted out for the "right reasons". Some of the posts on here make a very good case for leaving. Sadly, there is a portion of the electorate who just don't like Johnny foreigner coming over here and voted out for that reason. If some of these people got up off the lazy arses and went to work we wouldn't be in such a pickle.

true

[Emjay]

well as predicted.

GB want pre negotiation talks

Germany and France say no way. trigger article 50