wheel question - Page 2

K Simmonds · 27-11-22, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Colin Aitchison

Sorry guys, I'm old school as most of you know, I do understand if you need bigger brakes the standard wheel is tight on space, yes bigger wheel does give most cars a better side view and depending on the offset, a wider stance from the front and rear, but we all love our cars and the look of them is far better than most of the cars today, just leave it the way it came out factory, uprated shocks, lowered coil and tires like rubber bands all look good, the comments you hear are, it's like driving on rails, but you won't drive 200 miles on a day trip due to the poor ride quality, and when you park it 99.99% of people will have to go to the rear to see what model it is anyway, and when you come back you may still have 4 wheel ,one on each corner, do I sound old or what!!!

I have to say I agree with you and I'm 'only' 45, so no you don't sound old..

That's why I went back to stock 16" wheels and springs with Koni shocks on my 3B, because I wanted to drive the pants of the thing on a wide variety of roads, tyre's only lasted 2000 miles or so with RS2+ spec but decent 205/55/16's are cheap enough.

However each to their own, I won't say anything negative about someone else's car unless what they've done is unsafe or just plain silly.

Obli · 27-11-22, 02:33 PM

Indeed, each to their own and I think the original poster knows what he'd like. I'm 'only' 42. I used to have 17s on my 90 20v, Bilstein and Eibach springs. Looked and handled great. But it depends if you want any comfort. It's all a compromise. I've found the best blend of handling and comfort is the standard sport suspension setup. I like to occasionally drive her hard but more often I like to cruise comfortably and not wince at speed bumps - but I'm old too. If you want a blend of comfort and handling, Audi have already done the hard work

EDIT: there's one tempting reason I might ever go bigger than 15" - to get a better selection (and value) of tyres. Not much choice for 205/50/15s these days, although the new Vredesteins I went for are pretty good.

sixaxles · 27-11-22, 03:22 PM

Can I just say, I’m 45 lol so we’re all about as close to retirement as each other haha.
If it turns out I’ve made a few cockups with what I’m going for then it’s ok, I can just change it, but it is about looking at something and wanting to get in and drive it for me, I’d really like to flare the arches a little but I’m just concentrating on getting the mechanicals in order first off…… updates to the prom mobile thread later I hope, I’ve just got the fuel lane out and lines all pulled off, just door cards to take off now for today and it’ll be time to start cooking tea

K Simmonds · 27-11-22, 03:37 PM

I really like the stock Audi sports spring options, I feel they got it just right for all road conditions, hence why I'm sticking the sports pack suspension off the 30V C4 I broke on my 12V car... Okay the 12V is an Avant quattro and the 30V was a Saloon quattro but given that the springs have no rust at all on them I reckon they'll be a big upgrade over the crusty old originals.

After a huge amount of faffing about with just about everything on my S2 I found the best set up for all round conditions IMO was stock 3B wheels and springs, Koni top adjustable's set two clicks off max damping along with medium density poly bushes everywhere.

Then the most important thing is getting the car set up properly by a place that knows what they're doing and gets a car properly aligned, not just within tollerances. This is a nightmare as most places are awful, in the end I went to motorsport specialist in Bristol on the recommendation of another S2Forum user and they got it spot on.

K Simmonds · 27-11-22, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by sixaxles

Can I just say, I’m 45 lol so we’re all about as close to retirement as each other haha.
If it turns out I’ve made a few cockups with what I’m going for then it’s ok, I can just change it, but it is about looking at something and wanting to get in and drive it for me, I’d really like to flare the arches a little but I’m just concentrating on getting the mechanicals in order first off…… updates to the prom mobile thread later I hope, I’ve just got the fuel lane out and lines all pulled off, just door cards to take off now for today and it’ll be time to start cooking tea

As I said each to their own, the world would be a very boring place if we all thought the same…

I’m kinda the opposite, couldn’t really give a monkeys what something looks like, how it actually drives and sound mechanical condition are my main priority’s.

I would advise against flaring the rear quarters as they are extremely hard to change on a Coupe and tampering with them can easily cause corrosion problems down the road so to speak. Doesn’t matter so much with the front wings as they simply bolt on…

sixaxles · 27-11-22, 06:24 PM

now would be the ideal time to be medalling with the arches whilst i can get to everywhere to paint correctly and completely

K Simmonds · 28-11-22, 06:01 AM

Indeed, now would be the time to do it as it's the interior of the car you need to worry about protecting, it's not hard to do a good job of painting the outside, what I'd be concerned about is the inside...

Wherever you weld on the outside of the car will obviously burn off the factory primer and Waxoil on the inside and this is where future problems would be most likely to start off. However if your doing all the work yourself then you can really take your time and do a good job of repainting and adding rust protection to the inside of the rear quarters. I wouldn't trust many body shops to do a good job of this as it's a bit of fiddle, however as I said if you've got plenty of time then you can do it properly.

Done well I reckon it could look pretty cool, not my personal preference but hey it's not my car.

If it was me I'd spending all the time and money it takes to do this to drop the compression and bolt a supercharger on along with a bigger injectors and an aftermarket ECU, but again that's down to personal preferences.

sixaxles · 28-11-22, 12:02 PM

I didn’t mention I bought a 2001 a6 2.7twin turbo some time ago as a donor car for the engine and box and everything I could possibly need to build an at least 400bhp car - and yes I know the engine doesn’t exactly fit because of the turbos being lower down - but strangely that was some of the appeal lol ….. I figured as it’s got a v6 in it already that’s what I wanted to stick with but I wanted turbo to, but that’s well out of the budget at the moment- infact that’s a whole other budget haha. I’m being quite well disciplined actually , although I originally just said I was going to over haul each corner and then give it to a garage to address the fuel lines, I have to have the old lass done by June, so I mustn’t complicate things yet until I know I’ve got the time

K Simmonds · 28-11-22, 01:30 PM

A 2.7 twin turbo should fit with some custom work and that's probably a better way of making more power than trying to boost the the old 2.8 12V.

A mate who I work with purchased a car the same spec as yours with a knackered engine and we did start sizing up fitting a 2.7 and came to the conclusion it would work, though he ended up finding a replacement AAH engine as we found one locally cheap and he wants to keep the car stock.

It should bolt straight up to the gearbox as it's actually the same basic block casting as the 2.8 naturally aspirated motors, I've just sold the heads off the 2.8 30V I broke to a guy who wants to use them on 2.7 B5 S4.

sixaxles · 28-11-22, 08:07 PM

I did some research way back when, apparently any Audi engine will mate up to any Audi gearbox - not sure if it’s still the case but it was at the time of my digging around. I only have a five speed in my coupe and it’s a six in the a6, so the plan was to use everything including the rear diff if it had different ratios of any kind……. There’s no reason the engine shouldn’t go in, after all it’s technically just another v6, information is incredibly limited but it’s the turbos being down the sides that’s the issue, so from what I could find you either chop out the inner wings? Or move the turbos to the top, the latter was going to be my choice - and if I ever do it still will be, the abs may be in the way, but hey, why make life simple . I was also talking about supercharging when I first bought the old lass but I think the end result was about 225 bhp?

27-11-22, 02:33 PM	#12
Obli Grown up member Classic Audi Club Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 267	Indeed, each to their own and I think the original poster knows what he'd like. I'm 'only' 42. I used to have 17s on my 90 20v, Bilstein and Eibach springs. Looked and handled great. But it depends if you want any comfort. It's all a compromise. I've found the best blend of handling and comfort is the standard sport suspension setup. I like to occasionally drive her hard but more often I like to cruise comfortably and not wince at speed bumps - but I'm old too. If you want a blend of comfort and handling, Audi have already done the hard work EDIT: there's one tempting reason I might ever go bigger than 15" - to get a better selection (and value) of tyres. Not much choice for 205/50/15s these days, although the new Vredesteins I went for are pretty good. Last edited by Obli; 27-11-22 at 03:13 PM.

27-11-22, 03:37 PM	#14
K Simmonds Senior Member Classic Audi Club Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Mid Wales Posts: 1,060	I really like the stock Audi sports spring options, I feel they got it just right for all road conditions, hence why I'm sticking the sports pack suspension off the 30V C4 I broke on my 12V car... Okay the 12V is an Avant quattro and the 30V was a Saloon quattro but given that the springs have no rust at all on them I reckon they'll be a big upgrade over the crusty old originals. After a huge amount of faffing about with just about everything on my S2 I found the best set up for all round conditions IMO was stock 3B wheels and springs, Koni top adjustable's set two clicks off max damping along with medium density poly bushes everywhere. Then the most important thing is getting the car set up properly by a place that knows what they're doing and gets a car properly aligned, not just within tollerances. This is a nightmare as most places are awful, in the end I went to motorsport specialist in Bristol on the recommendation of another S2Forum user and they got it spot on. __________________ Still have my RS2 tuck up safe, also a 1992 C4 2.8 Avant quattro and a B3 quattro Saloon G60 conversion in progress.

28-11-22, 06:01 AM	#17
K Simmonds Senior Member Classic Audi Club Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Mid Wales Posts: 1,060	Indeed, now would be the time to do it as it's the interior of the car you need to worry about protecting, it's not hard to do a good job of painting the outside, what I'd be concerned about is the inside... Wherever you weld on the outside of the car will obviously burn off the factory primer and Waxoil on the inside and this is where future problems would be most likely to start off. However if your doing all the work yourself then you can really take your time and do a good job of repainting and adding rust protection to the inside of the rear quarters. I wouldn't trust many body shops to do a good job of this as it's a bit of fiddle, however as I said if you've got plenty of time then you can do it properly. Done well I reckon it could look pretty cool, not my personal preference but hey it's not my car. If it was me I'd spending all the time and money it takes to do this to drop the compression and bolt a supercharger on along with a bigger injectors and an aftermarket ECU, but again that's down to personal preferences. __________________ Still have my RS2 tuck up safe, also a 1992 C4 2.8 Avant quattro and a B3 quattro Saloon G60 conversion in progress.

28-11-22, 01:30 PM	#19
K Simmonds Senior Member Classic Audi Club Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Mid Wales Posts: 1,060	A 2.7 twin turbo should fit with some custom work and that's probably a better way of making more power than trying to boost the the old 2.8 12V. A mate who I work with purchased a car the same spec as yours with a knackered engine and we did start sizing up fitting a 2.7 and came to the conclusion it would work, though he ended up finding a replacement AAH engine as we found one locally cheap and he wants to keep the car stock. It should bolt straight up to the gearbox as it's actually the same basic block casting as the 2.8 naturally aspirated motors, I've just sold the heads off the 2.8 30V I broke to a guy who wants to use them on 2.7 B5 S4. __________________ Still have my RS2 tuck up safe, also a 1992 C4 2.8 Avant quattro and a B3 quattro Saloon G60 conversion in progress.

27-11-22, 03:22 PM	#13
sixaxles Grown up member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: scunthorpe Posts: 123	Can I just say, I’m 45 lol so we’re all about as close to retirement as each other haha. If it turns out I’ve made a few cockups with what I’m going for then it’s ok, I can just change it, but it is about looking at something and wanting to get in and drive it for me, I’d really like to flare the arches a little but I’m just concentrating on getting the mechanicals in order first off…… updates to the prom mobile thread later I hope, I’ve just got the fuel lane out and lines all pulled off, just door cards to take off now for today and it’ll be time to start cooking tea

27-11-22, 06:24 PM	#16
sixaxles Grown up member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: scunthorpe Posts: 123	now would be the ideal time to be medalling with the arches whilst i can get to everywhere to paint correctly and completely

28-11-22, 12:02 PM	#18
sixaxles Grown up member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: scunthorpe Posts: 123	I didn’t mention I bought a 2001 a6 2.7twin turbo some time ago as a donor car for the engine and box and everything I could possibly need to build an at least 400bhp car - and yes I know the engine doesn’t exactly fit because of the turbos being lower down - but strangely that was some of the appeal lol ….. I figured as it’s got a v6 in it already that’s what I wanted to stick with but I wanted turbo to, but that’s well out of the budget at the moment- infact that’s a whole other budget haha. I’m being quite well disciplined actually , although I originally just said I was going to over haul each corner and then give it to a garage to address the fuel lines, I have to have the old lass done by June, so I mustn’t complicate things yet until I know I’ve got the time

28-11-22, 08:07 PM	#20
sixaxles Grown up member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: scunthorpe Posts: 123	I did some research way back when, apparently any Audi engine will mate up to any Audi gearbox - not sure if it’s still the case but it was at the time of my digging around. I only have a five speed in my coupe and it’s a six in the a6, so the plan was to use everything including the rear diff if it had different ratios of any kind……. There’s no reason the engine shouldn’t go in, after all it’s technically just another v6, information is incredibly limited but it’s the turbos being down the sides that’s the issue, so from what I could find you either chop out the inner wings? Or move the turbos to the top, the latter was going to be my choice - and if I ever do it still will be, the abs may be in the way, but hey, why make life simple . I was also talking about supercharging when I first bought the old lass but I think the end result was about 225 bhp?