Eu referendum.

[Hanuman]

The only (ethnic minority) in the woodpile is that we still have exactly the same quality of politicians to manage the country on our behalf, and their track record of taking care of the electorate is not encouraging.

You can now expect a significant amount of lobbying by the various industries to safe guard their interests.

Separation is all very well, so long as there is a plan for what comes next.

[Duffy3074]

Donald Trump thinks it's a great thing.
That's reassuring..........

[DGSdale]

Originally Posted by moonwatcher

Hope this gives you all some thing to think about.


Results of our EU membership-
Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant.
Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.
Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia
with EU grant, owned by Tata, the same company who have trashed our steel
works and emptied the workers pension funds.
Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to
Slovakia with EU grant.
British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using
SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant,
rather than Wales.
Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan.
Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant,
once employed 1,200.
M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan.
Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along
with the patents all with with EU grants.
Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant.
Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant.
Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant.
Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam
plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU
funding.
Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East
by Italian company Candy with EU backing.
ICI integration into Holland’s AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days
of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating
3,500 jobs
Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in
Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year, using an EU loan for
the purchase.
JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, bought up companies in the UK with £20
million in EU 'regeneration' grants, created a pollution nightmare and just
closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean-up
paid for by the UK tax-payer. They also raided the pension fund and
drained it dry.
UK airports are owned by a Spanish company.
Scottish Power is owned by a Spanish company.
Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies.
The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company
EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has
catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations. Now EDF say the
costs will be double or more and it will be very late even if it does come
online.
Swindon was once our producer of rail locomotives and rolling stock. Not
any more, it's
Bombardier in Derby and due to their losses in the aviation market, that
could see the end of the British railways manufacturing altogether even
though Bombardier had EU grants to keep Derby going which they diverted to
their loss-making aviation side in Canada.
39% of British invention patents have been passed to foreign companies,
many of them in the EU
The Mini cars that Cameron stood in front of as an example of British
engineering, are built by BMW mostly in Holland and Austria. His campaign bus
was made in Germany even though we have Plaxton, Optare, Bluebird, Dennis
etc., in the UK. The bicycle for the Greens was made in the far east, not by
Raleigh UK but then they are probably going to move to the Netherlands too
as they have said recently.
Anyone who thinks the EU is good for British industry or any other
business simply hasn't paid attention to what has been systematically
asset-stripped from the UK. Name me one major technology company still running in the
UK, I used to contract out to many, then the work just dried up as they
were sold off to companies from France, Germany, Holland, Belgium, etc., and
now we don't even teach electronic technology for technicians any more, due
to EU regulations.
I haven't detailed our non-existent fishing industry the EU paid to
destroy, nor the farmers being paid NOT to produce food they could sell for more
than they get paid to do nothing, don't even go there.
I haven't mentioned what it costs us to be asset-stripped like this, nor
have I mentioned immigration, nor the risk to our security if control of our
armed forces is passed to Brussels or Germany.
Find something that's gone the other way, I've looked and I just can't.
NOW WAKE AND VOTE OUT !

And you think it will improve by voting out? I should imagine the EU will be throwing grants/loans at companies wanting to move to Europe even more so now.
So shortsighted...........

[Sandro]

Originally Posted by DGSdale

And you think it will improve by voting out? I should imagine the EU will be throwing grants/loans at companies wanting to move to Europe even more so now.
So shortsighted...........

And those are companies who decide to move out and not told by any government or EU.

[Sandro]

Originally Posted by The Real MSH!

The only (ethnic minority) in the woodpile is that we still have exactly the same quality of politicians to manage the country on our behalf, and their track record of taking care of the electorate is not encouraging.

You can now expect a significant amount of lobbying by the various industries to safe guard their interests.

Separation is all very well, so long as there is a plan for what comes next.

Exactly! That plan should be already ready! But it's left for the moment, when it all goes down. And if politicians were not lazy - the EU minister should be along other ministers here.

[TeXerv]

Originally Posted by The Real MSH!

Separation is all very well, so long as there is a plan for what comes next.

I just joined the UKIP site. No plan to be found. But I've read in SZ (Sueddeutsche Zeitung) that Farage just cancelled his promise to fund the NHS with 350 million GBP (a week?). And by the way: After deduction of all returns, subsidies (for the British agriculture i.e.) and special treatments the Britsh pay was about 5 Billion € (dont know the actual exchange) a year. That doesn't make 350 Million GBP a week.

And what about the plan of Boris Johnson? A Tory, isn't he? Just like Cameron. Do they have a plan?


Just found that: https://twitter.com/gmb/status/746218028195426305
It seems so sad.

[Sandro]

Originally Posted by TeXerv

I just joined the UKIP site. No plan to be found. But I've read in SZ (Sueddeutsche Zeitung) that Farage just cancelled his promise to fund the NHS with 350 million GBP (a week?). And by the way: After deduction of all returns, subsidies (for the British agriculture i.e.) and special treatments the Britsh pay was about 5 Billion € (dont know the actual exchange) a year. That doesn't make 350 Million GBP a week.

And what about the plan of Boris Johnson? A Tory, isn't he? Just like Cameron. Do they have a plan?


Just found that: https://twitter.com/gmb/status/746218028195426305
It seems so sad.

It all seemed to be a fight for the chairs in Westminster not about wellness of British people

[TeXerv]

Originally Posted by Sandro

It all seemed to be a fight for the chairs in Westminster not about wellness of British people

Please allow me to say it like I see it in clear words: Some guys have hoaxed half of the country with incalculable consequences not only for Britain but for whole Europe.

And meanwhile Putin has stated, that he didn't influence the referendum.

[Error404]

Funny I've noted today how many people only seem to like democracy when it suits them.

[Daveymaclad]

Originally Posted by Error404

Funny I've noted today how many people only seem to like democracy when it suits them.

Bingo.

You know I've for the first time since joining facebook (far too long ago) I've gone and deactivated my account. I simply couldn't stand the bile, hatred, insults & doom & gloom being spewed by those friends in the remain camp.

Nearly 80% of the eligible voters turned out, a record in modern times and we should see that as a positive thing.

Yes the markets took a tumble today but that's more due to traders guessing big and wrong. Whenever they guess big and wrong (housing market anyone!) the whole economy goes into kneejerk reaction mode.

Putting it into perspective for a second, when the ftse opened it crashed by an unprecedented margin, but by the end of the day that 8%odd was down to 2.4% and the closing figure today was UP nearly 1% from just FIVE DAYS AGO. This shows that there was a big gamble made in the city of a narrow win for remain and many saw that as an easy flip of their portfolio - it wasn't. It's also up from the beginning of the year.

The Pound is a slightly different matter, again it dipped to a long time low but again rallied a little bit but what helped weigh this down was a combination of Camorons resignation & Sturgeon sticking the knife in (again) before most had even woken for breakfast (despicable woman). markets don't like uncertainty so will always recoil like a todger on a cold swim.

The pound will strengthen again when the markets have a better idea of camerons successor and the (I imagine fairly quick) election. That just leaves the question as to how much the EU will want to spank the UK for being a defiant naughty little boy, knowing that a soft touch will quickly lead to refenda in The Netherlands, France & Italy to start with they will want to throw every nasty thing they can at us, knowing all the time that whatever trade barrier they try and put up will hurt them more than us. At best for the EU is a pyrrhic victory, at worst and more likely it's the destruction of the political EU as it currently stands hopefully to be replaced with a free trade area in the vein that the EU was originally set up solely to do, which is why I chose leave.