Greedy parts suppliers.

[Isimmo]

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Kind regards
Ian

[Daveymaclad]

Originally Posted by Isimmo

Gents, there is a time and a place for frank and open discussion, and there is a time and a place where that discussion should cease... We are at that point today. Please respect the generous nature of the moderation and administration teams and count to 10 before posting. That is all we ask...

Thank you Gents.

Kind regards
Ian

For those who've watched Anchorman all I'll say is....

"Well that escalated quickly"

"I killed a man with a trident"

"I've been meaning to talk to you about that Brick, you should probably lay low for a while as you'll be wanted for murder!"

[hmg]

In the interests of fairness to both parties..

The clips,decals are not being made in huge volumes in China for pennies. I don't know but I could well imagine the cost of production here in the UK runs into a few pounds per item.

I am an online trader in a completely non related area and have been selling on eBay for over ten years.

Let's say for arguments sake the sale price of £5.00 clips/decals etc cost approx £2.50 to produce..

In my world this would equate to:

SP & P&P £6.50
Less VAT (£1.08)
£5.42
Less CP (£2.50)
eBay/Paypal
Fees 10%. (£0.65)
£2.27
P&P* (£0.60)

NP. £1.67

* small Jiffy Bag 7p(bought in bulk)
* if sent as a large letter 60p(contract prices)
* if sent as a parcel £1.80 (contract prices)

You can see what seems like an expensive purchase doesn't necessarily mean the seller is making a Kings Ransom.

You will have to sell a truck load of clips etc etc to do that.

Especially as I haven't factored in time,petrol,sundry costs etc etc


The OP has some valid points too.

Maybe some savings in postage on multiple items could be incorporated into the eBay listing?

In this instance the Seller is I feel well meaning.

He has filled a gap out of necessity as a result of Audis own policies,this on his own initiative..the guy is a fellow Audi enthusiast. I don't for one moment think his motives were borne out of greed or avarice. Rather he's gone to the trouble and if he can make a couple of quid you can't really begrudge him.

I have never met either party but I would wager the OP and the seller have more in common than you would think ,even given the way this thread has gone. After all both have worked long long hours trying to restore one of these cars back to its former glory.

I am sure the seller would rather sell a few bits for a little less, but on a gentlemanly basis to fellow enthusiasts and lose a few costs of sale. Everyone benefits then.

On the flip side all the breakers and car scalpers that look at a car as nothing more than a resource to be tapped ( until there is no more) regardless of the Marque, they are providing a service and filling a gap,but the motive is different.

[4v6]

Originally Posted by Isimmo

Gents, there is a time and a place for frank and open discussion, and there is a time and a place where that discussion should cease... We are at that point today. Please respect the generous nature of the moderation and administration teams and count to 10 before posting. That is all we ask...

Thank you Gents.

Kind regards
Ian

Message received and understood Herr Moderator type personage.

[4v6]

Originally Posted by hmg

In the interests of fairness to both parties..

The clips,decals are not being made in huge volumes in China for pennies. I don't know but I could well imagine the cost of production here in the UK runs into a few pounds per item.

I am an online trader in a completely non related area and have been selling on eBay for over ten years.

Let's say for arguments sake the sale price of £5.00 clips/decals etc cost approx £2.50 to produce..

In my world this would equate to:

SP & P&P £6.50
Less VAT (£1.08)
£5.42
Less CP (£2.50)
eBay/Paypal
Fees 10%. (£0.65)
£2.27
P&P* (£0.60)

NP. £1.67

* small Jiffy Bag 7p(bought in bulk)
* if sent as a large letter 60p(contract prices)
* if sent as a parcel £1.80 (contract prices)

You can see what seems like an expensive purchase doesn't necessarily mean the seller is making a Kings Ransom.

You will have to sell a truck load of clips etc etc to do that.

Especially as I haven't factored in time,petrol,sundry costs etc etc

Its a good point and one not lost on me at all, but such is the way Im built, i dont factor any of that in when I do something, I do it because its just the right thing to do, massive profits are quite honestly not forefront in my mind.

Originally Posted by hmg

The OP has some valid points too.

Thats torn it.

Originally Posted by hmg

In this instance the Seller is I feel well meaning.

He has filled a gap out of necessity as a result of Audis own policies,this on his own initiative..the guy is a fellow Audi enthusiast. I don't for one moment think his motives were borne out of greed or avarice. Rather he's gone to the trouble and if he can make a couple of quid you can't really begrudge him.

I have no truck with anybody trying to help fix the facical state of parts supply for our vehicles, if Audi cant or wont help us then we're on our own but that also means we should be a bit more altruistic when it comes to setting prices and dealing with each other.
These are our cars and we're the ones still flying the flag for Audi whether or not they appreciate it, so the last thing any of us needs is any kind of attitude of "oh its sooooooo rare so itll cost you soooo much more."...... that kite wont fly with me, its one borne of self advancement at the expense of a captive market.

Originally Posted by hmg

I have never met either party but I would wager the OP and the seller have more in common than you would think ,even given the way this thread has gone. After all both have worked long long hours trying to restore one of these cars back to its former glory.

Well yes possibly, I think there are still fundamental differences with how I see things vis a vis the parts pricing score.

Originally Posted by hmg

On the flip side all the breakers and car scalpers that look at a car as nothing more than a resource to be tapped ( until there is no more) regardless of the Marque, they are providing a service and filling a gap,but the motive is different.

Yeah I agree, but it dosent mean we have to like it or play their game.

[hmg]

I'm glad to see you've calmed down and that the simple financials are not lost on you..

I know exactly where you are coming from though,and even having never met you I can tell you are an enthusiast who will do another enthusiast a favour even if it costs you bit of time and money. I'm know there are a few on here with the same morals.

The funny thing is we are much more likely to baulk at the high price of a tiny but annoyingly essential NLA cosmetic part in the pursuit of originality or perfection, but when faced with an equally NLA but more essential mechanical part we just shrug our shoulders and pay up

[GALLYS 20V]

I would like to say sorry if I have offended anybody. Maybe I was a little hasty in my posts. Although I would just like to say one thing I'm not out there to rob anyone blind. I'm am trying to produce parts that are nla and it has taken me a lot of time and money to do this. Yes your right I do offer a combined postage and a discount to the quattro owners club and yes I do make a bit on the parts. After all I'm not a charity or indeed a robbing bastard. All you have to do is ask when purchasing. I can assure you I'm not as expensive as you think I am or indeed as some other suppliers I know. These are quality parts and have had to have them redone several times until they were perfect in which they are. No one has complained In fact quite the opposite. Nothing but praise and happiness has been received with the quality and fittment of the trims,ABS sensor caps, sunroof shoes and decals.

I hope you all understand..?

[Addicted]

Originally Posted by GALLYS 20V

I hope you all understand..?

ALL? I think there's only one of us you need to convince

[john johnson]

Indeed us northerners apparently ..... If anyone gets on their high horse again they will get a tug and the thread cleaned up deleted , please air your views constructively and not in a sloppy way .... Please as I'm off to cast a beady eye over another thread

[4v6]

Originally Posted by GALLYS 20V

I would like to say sorry if I have offended anybody. Maybe I was a little hasty in my posts. Although I would just like to say one thing I'm not out there to rob anyone blind. I'm am trying to produce parts that are nla and it has taken me a lot of time and money to do this. Yes your right I do offer a combined postage and a discount to the quattro owners club and yes I do make a bit on the parts. After all I'm not a charity or indeed a robbing bastard. All you have to do is ask when purchasing. I can assure you I'm not as expensive as you think I am or indeed as some other suppliers I know. These are quality parts and have had to have them redone several times until they were perfect in which they are. No one has complained In fact quite the opposite. Nothing but praise and happiness has been received with the quality and fittment of the trims,ABS sensor caps, sunroof shoes and decals.

I hope you all understand..?

You havent offended me one bit, I appreciate the fact that youve put yourself out to make these parts ( I know it may not have come across that way) my gripe was simply the pricing seemed extraordinarily high for what was being offered.

To put it in perspective, you can get 450 large eggs, 58 cans of baked beans, 54 packets of rice, 48 litres of milk or 27 litres of unleaded for the price of 4 of those trim closing pieces/joiners.
They simply dont appear to have Value For Money when you consider potentially what you can get for the same cash, but having said that Ill apologise if it appeared I was singling you out, I wasnt, there are others who also appear to be conjuring numbers up on this subject who also have some explaining to do. Audi included.