Non-starting 2.6E

[vorsprung durch technik]

Originally Posted by Alan67

Hi.

Sorry, I just thought with it being a new issue, it would be better to start a new thread. I didn't want to be putting every issue I ever have with the car (hopefully very few!) under the same post for the next 20 years!



I really must apologise for not replying. I hadn't even seen your post to be truthful. I've had so many things on my plate this week that the Audi has had to take a back seat. I've skimmed in and out of the forum looking at bits and bobs, but have unfortunately totally missed this information. I'm sure as you get to know me a bit better around here, you'll find that I'm not one to take information and run...never to be heard from again! So, my apologies once again



This is excellent information, and appears to be very good news if this turns out to be the problem.
Fuel filter not changed yet as we were hoping to use the car, but garage said if they disturbed the fuel hoses, they might need replacing, and the car would not be available for me to use. It can be done in a couple of weeks time however.

No worries, i'll lay money on the none start issue is the camshaft position sensor (Hall sensor is it's traditional name) going by the age of your vehicle and mileage. One caveat in that,........as long as no heavy handed hands have been in there and destroyed things it has been known with professionals! My current avant is on 77k and not needed anything other than the TPS switch at @60k which is the only other common thing to go which regulates the idle speed and if gone the revs don't return to normal when hot. That's another cheap item even from Audi last i looked and easy to change.

There really isn't much that goes on these, if you make a complete fix you should see at least 20 years good service out of it with regular servicing,regular antifreeze changes injector cleaning via a bottle etc etc. The only other thing to worry about is vacuum hoses, they are worth changing at this sort of age unless they look in good condition, but still get yourself some vacuum hose for when it does.

Oh and the cat, they don't go from my experience,....... just that the joint rusts on the later ones on the y section of the downpipe 94 onwards, yours being an early one has 2 of them so slightly further upstream when you look at the diagrams on ( 7Zap ) and more out of the way of road water

[vorsprung durch technik]

Good info this form an article around 20 years ago.

[Alan67]

Hi.

Originally Posted by vorsprung durch technik

My current avant is on 77k and not needed anything other than the TPS switch at @60k which is the only other common thing to go which regulates the idle speed and if gone the revs don't return to normal when hot. That's another cheap item even from Audi last i looked and easy to change.

Once the other issues are sorted, I reckon it might be worth getting one of these then, and just keeping it in the tool box ready for action should issues begin to appear

Originally Posted by vorsprung durch technik

There really isn't much that goes on these, if you make a complete fix you should see at least 20 years good service out of it with regular servicing,regular antifreeze changes injector cleaning via a bottle etc etc.

Injector cleaning via a bottle? Do you mean the stuff you pour into the fuel tank...or am I missing put on some amazing fix to blocked injectors with the use of a bottle? I'm assuming the first but hoping for the second!

Originally Posted by vorsprung durch technik

The only other thing to worry about is vacuum hoses, they are worth changing at this sort of age unless they look in good condition, but still get yourself some vacuum hose for when it does.

Funny you should mention vacuum hose. The seller said he'd had to 'fix' a length of vacuum hose to correct an issue the car had when I first viewed it. This was basically every time you revved the engine up to 2,000rpm...the revs plummeted and the engine very nearly stalled. His 'fix' was apparently replacing the hose with a piece of old rubber tubing he had lying around! I'd actually forgotten all about this to be honest. He said the hose ran along near the bottom of the engine. Don't suppose you would know which hose he was referring to?

Originally Posted by vorsprung durch technik

Oh and the cat, they don't go from my experience,....... just that the joint rusts on the later ones on the y section of the downpipe 94 onwards, yours being an early one has 2 of them so slightly further upstream when you look at the diagrams on ( 7Zap ) and more out of the way of road water

Seem to have been quite lucky in this respect. I also have a 1992 Mercedes-Benz 500SL too. When I bought that nearly 6 years ago, I new absolutely nothing about the cars, a bit like the Audi. As it turns out, 1992 was a kind of 'golden year' for the SL, avoiding a whole host of issues that other years suffered from. Looks like I might have managed to do the same with the Audi....even if it is only with the cats!

Cheers for the information. It's very much appreciated

[vorsprung durch technik]

Originally Posted by Alan67

Hi.

Injector cleaning via a bottle? Do you mean the stuff you pour into the fuel tank...or am I missing put on some amazing fix to blocked injectors with the use of a bottle? I'm assuming the first but hoping for the second!

I meant injector cleaning with wyns gold that you put in your tank. Works for me.


Funny you should mention vacuum hose. The seller said he'd had to 'fix' a length of vacuum hose to correct an issue the car had when I first viewed it. This was basically every time you revved the engine up to 2,000rpm...the revs plummeted and the engine very nearly stalled. His 'fix' was apparently replacing the hose with a piece of old rubber tubing he had lying around! I'd actually forgotten all about this to be honest. He said the hose ran along near the bottom of the engine. Don't suppose you would know which hose he was referring to?

Sorry i wouldn't know without looking at it.


Seem to have been quite lucky in this respect. I also have a 1992 Mercedes-Benz 500SL too. When I bought that nearly 6 years ago, I new absolutely nothing about the cars, a bit like the Audi. As it turns out, 1992 was a kind of 'golden year' for the SL, avoiding a whole host of issues that other years suffered from. Looks like I might have managed to do the same with the Audi....even if it is only with the cats!


So are you saying you have no cats on your car?


Cheers for the information. It's very much appreciated

No worries your welcome.

Tbh i really like these engines partly because they're just superbly smoooooth and quick enough if looked after and for the fact they are one of Audis finest as far as reliability is concerned. I hope you can see the answers in you quoted post?

[Alan67]

Originally Posted by vorsprung durch technik

...I really like these engines partly because they're just superbly smoooooth and quick enough if looked after and for the fact they are one of Audis finest as far as reliability is concerned. I hope you can see the answers in you quoted post?

I'm looking forward to feeling this smoothness for my self. Even with the misfire, I did open her up on the way to the garage on Wednesday morning. Once the engine cleared it's throat of the misfire, I was very impressed with the power delivery of this V6 The sound was also something I can see myself getting used to...and enjoying very much indeed

I can certainly confirm that cats are present. I was referring to the 1994 onwards cat-pipe issue you had mentioned. Dodged another bullet.

Also, for anyone following my (temporary!) woes, I'll update this post only with info about the non-start issue, and as things develop. The other issues I'm also currently dealing with will be updated within their original posts, just to keep things tidy.

All the best,
Alan

[mikes2]

Given that they've replaced the timing belt, did they ever have it running after putting it all back together

[Alan67]

Originally Posted by mikes2

Given that they've replaced the timing belt, did they ever have it running after putting it all back together

Hi Mike.

Yes. They had it in and out on several occasions.
That was my first thought though I must admit (Shhhh!)

[mikes2]

Intermotor are part of JP Group - absolutely fine to fit.

[Alan67]

Update -

So, garage called me half hour ago to say that when they went in this morning, the car started first time on the button, and has continued to do so throughout the day.

They have tested the crankshaft sensor, and can't find anything that suggests it is faulty.

He then said that he had unplugged the Hall Sensor and found the readings and symptoms were exactly the same as they were on Friday when I went to collect the car and it failed to start. Now, he couldn't get a replacement one from Audi, and the local parts suppliers were also drawing a blank. He's had a look online, and found several around the £20 mark, which is obviously poor quality stuff, so ignored that. He eventually tracked one down from an auto store in Glasgow. It's an Intermotor 19017, but he didn't buy it because it was 3 times the price of the other ones he'd seen online, and wanted to discuss price with me first.

I've had a look on ebay, and there is obviously the Hella branded one at £96 that was linked to on here, but the Intermotor 19017 one is also on there at £62. The difference is, the garage can get the Intermotor part delivered to them tomorrow, whereas the ebay parts won't arrive until the weekend at the earliest. Problem is...my wife and I are taking my Mum away for a long weekend up in the Scottish Highlands, and although we could take my Wife's Honda Jazz....I would obviously love to take the Audi.

So, is the Intermotor brand good enough quality, or am I better holding off for the Hella one? (which means taking the Jazz ).
I've never had an issue with Intermotor stuff since way back with points and condensers for my '76 Capri....(God I loved that car!)....but have you guys had any issues with the Intermotor Hall Sensor for the 2.6?

If there's no bad feedback by tomorrow morning, I'll just instruct him to go ahead and order the Intermotor part.

By the way, I've also asked him to go ahead and replace the fuel filter, even though he had earlier concerns about damage to the hoses/pipes due to age. He's concerned at being able to source them if things break. Obviously, he can make up a homemade version if needs must, but he would rather not go down that route with a car like this. Have you guys any advice about the availability of these parts?

Cheers